Greater Avenues Community Council Meeting Minutes

Welcome by Chair Wynn Johnson at 7:01 p.m.Iif any of you forgot or are missing your agenda we have some extras back on the table. No particular announcements tonight.

REPORTS

Police: Karrie has no statistics tonight. Dept. seems to have a statistics backlog and we are at the bottom of the list. Will bring them next time. Some of meetings in the neighborhood are-Wasatch Elementary issues with traffic. Working on what South Temple is going to do. Standby for traffic enforcement on first Ave. and A Street. Be careful about stop signs, signals. Commuters are using 1st Ave and putting children in jeopardy. Had a drug bust on 7th Ave. (between 500 & 600 E) regarding reasonably large scale marijuana. Those sorts of crimes still do take place-- seized just under 20 lbs from that home.

City Council: Eric Jergensen asked if FAA person is here tonight. Brought lots of info about FAA flight pattern thing. That procedure is interesting (met with Tim Campbell) and is learning what airport is proposing to do. He has maps of what that is. Can make copies of this. Next month we ought to have Tim Campbell come with power point presentation. He is the Director of airport authority. Jordan city is planning on opposing proposal by FAA. Is significant change in flight paths. Tim says it's not capacity. It's not a problem yet-- they just want options. We need as a community to do what we can. In May meeting we could get GACC board and this council to get a letter regarding our interests finished and submitted by May 18 (get to Eric--or contact Barbara Gann public affairs director at airport.)

Good news for this year is our property council tax income came in about $500,000 more than we thought it might. Last year caused a 4.2 million dollar shortfall to now 4.9 million dollar shortfall. We try very hard to move budget around without losing some services. You will be happy to know Bonneville drive discussion about 30% slope issue have been reversed. Planning commission had approved building a house with that slope. Now it has been overturned. 532-4844. FAA address is www.northernutahairspaceinitiative. NUAI, PO Box ???, AMF SLC UT 84122 (contact Eric for rest of info)

If deal is done with Nordstrom there is already a 16 millions dollar increment at 2.1% -1 component changing of tax increment- 2nd piece is potential parking structure. Cost of 4.5 million. RDA is of a mind to say we have done enough. More city money spent is a no-no. Boyer Co would pay debt service. Guarantee for money from Boyer Co. for 2nd 15 years it is profit to SLC or RDA in essence we would come away with about 5+ million dollars. Eric is pushing that. Nordstrom ought to stay on Main Street and then in SLC. Provides ½ million dollars a year in revenue.

South Temple Reconstruction - Pat and Valerie - what do you want to know? Contract is to allow N & S traffic on E Street, M Street, I Street, etc and the smaller streets -added timing on I street going -have you noticed how close we are to concrete. Stoplight on E street--could change light to stop sign during construction so don't have to wait on lights-- that doesn't make sense. Hope to be finished on 7th E before 24th of July parade. Too many surprises in the street so won't promise when we will be done. People cutting behind bagel shop in E street are nearly causing accidents. South Temple at A used to have a crosswalk going North & South. (by formal wear store). How come there are 2 crosswalks by Heber wells Bldg between there and movie? That's excessive. State requires it because it accesses a parking lot. Talk about surprises! What are chances tunnel at Wasatch Elem. is part of this project? It is part of this project to at least fix the leak. There may be more to be done to it if it is not structurally sound. Hoping it is just fine. Don't want to touch it but want that tunnel to be sound. All fire hydrants work now! 535-7235 for Pat

Committees: none

Legislators: read about Paula giving CPR at legislature to a person but he died. Thanks for trying. Neither Paula nor Ralph went to Jazz games. Have vetoes governor gave but there is so much to talk about so if you have questions we'll take those. Banks/credit unions, health care cuts, tax discussions were hot buttons. Did not put anybody out of their homes. Did do a lot better by Medicaid than Paula thought. If you are cognitive but debilitated it is now possible you can stay in your own home and direct your own care without having a licensed provider. This is the first step in Medicare and Medicaid in following you home. All we did was change 3 words. Specific questions/complaints? Felt like it was a horrible session. If you want something done or things you didn't like please contact legislators. Governor vetoed 4 bills one Ralph's -one was the way we replace legislators, appropriations got cleaned up, one dealt with internet privacy, things like that. Will have to change bills that didn't pass and make it right. Feel free to call them-phone numbers in newsletter.

School board: not here

Special presentation from GACC to someone for community service. Officer Sanders was sitting on her porch and saw smoke from a neighbor's home. Ran over and found smoke and family members and got an extension ladder and rescued mother and children from fire. Suffered from smoke inhalation and fright. Sanders grew up on the Avenues. Presented with certificate of recognition. She fed the children popcicles even in the trauma (they were a juice kind and good for them)

Salt Lake Regional Medical Center: Quinn McCannon is here to speak tonight. He has been working with SL Regional Hospital for last 8-9 months. Have over 500 positions. Is second oldest hospital in the state. Has rich tradition of being a good hospital and works on referral basis. Once sisters sold it, (10 years ago) question has been what now? Where does this hosp fit in community? Quinn came in about 9 months ago and is working with med staff and employees and wanted to come to you and give brief presentation to let you know what we are thinking. Have 30 millions dollars to spend and want you to know what we are planning to do. Recognize there are different paths to take. Plans are for it to be a big tertiary facility..another strategy would be if we don't invest and change it to long-term care orientation. But as we looked at community & along with working with physicians, we thought they really need a community hospital. Especially if your health plan does not allow you to use LDS or University hosp. Core strength plans would be to design community hospital with tertiary niches like Open heart/ cardiovascular program, Recently expanded and added robotic surgery and brachytherapy. Have working relationship with U of U hosp. Related to neurosurgery. Below that is women's health, labor & delivery and want to expand it to a complete women's center. Emphasize men's health because have great brachytherapy program. If you need to go to emergency room because you have broken your arm you can get in and not wait 4 hours. Have started to expand educational program. Starting to create wellness program. Is there a continued need in this community for these services-- General community care? Do you feel there is space for a 3rd hosp to continue and what are the resources you would like us to provide? Participate in same insurance plans the U of U participates in. Question: Will it raise our property taxes? It's a private hospital and there are no tax dollars that go into this hospital. We pay taxes. IHC is moving trauma and tertiary care to Murray -have you considered that? We think given that, it is important we stay in community. Tertiary care is expert level of care 24 hours a day -higher level of qualification from physician, more specialized. Holy Cross had great hospice care-are you considering that? Actually do have sub-acute program in rehab. Opened up floor as well where patient can't be in a nursing home but can stay in hosp for 20 days. Have great physical therapy program. Why did lose name of Holy Cross? It was put into the contract when it was sold. We suggest you carve out a niche that does not duplicate what other hospitals provide. That would be to your advantage. They are recruiting a 3rd neurosurgeon. Working to bring in gamma or cyber knife which is surgery on brain without going inside the skull-non-invasive approach. That equip does not exist yet in this state. Don't take IHC and United insurances.

(Editorial comment: Nice thing about the avenues is that they are close to a hospital-great place to have a heart attack. Response-- They are close to a cemetery too!)

Avenues Street Fair 2003 Walt Zwierzycki is here to talk about the Avenues street fair-will be held in mid-Sept sometime. Showed slide show about what goes on at this activity. It's a wonderful experience to have a lot of people come in and enjoy the avenues. Looking for volunteers. It's fun and expands your sense of what you can do and what you are. Sign up with Walt. First meeting is scheduled May 10 at 622 "I" street at 9 am until 11:00 or so. Does not know where Fair will be this year yet. Talk to Amanda about signing up to put in a booth. 581-8842. email is barusha@aol.com.

Neighborhood conference and resource fair on May 3 sponsored by Assoc of CC. Registration forms available because there is such a turnout --please fill out your application tonight and put on round table for Wynn to get it where it needs to go.

Change in Water Rates by Stephanie Duer. We are proposing rate restructuring for SLC. SLC history has had a number of different rate structures. Had flat rate structure. Then declining block structure for business-- to invite them in. Then, recognized seasonal peak structure in winter rates went down but in summer rates went up. Summer months have been May through Aug. what we are proposing now is basically a good summer system and make it more reflective of actual water patterns. Are now removing free 5 cc feet of water that comes with your bills. That is going away. As soon as you turn on your tap you will pay. Extended summer peak structure will be from April to Oct which is more real. Patterns in terms of demand for SLC (industry, special interest groups, utilities financial paper work) created a structure that tells us how and why we actually use water. Now 3 rates during summer months. This will be explained in a mailer coming out next month. If you don't turn off tap when you shower or shave or use a full load of laundry, it adds up--r not running tap while you wash dishes and taking shorter showers, shallower baths. Same activities you can stretch longer time. 9ccs is block one. Next block is responsible outdoor watering. Typical household uses 30-34-32 ccs/67000 gal of water every month. We usually get 15 inches a year of rainfall. Typical household applies 46 to 54 inches of water a year to landscape. Lawn landscape needs 24 inches per year-if we just reduce the waste -if we don't spray street or do bubble instead of spray but not changing a blade of grass, we can change as much as 50% of outdoor water use. If you use more than 29 ccs you will be in block 3. This is not talking a huge rate increase. Rate structure is charging those folks who create the demand. We use 4-5 times as much water in July. For the 1st 9 ccf we pay a certain rate, then jump up. Block 2 is 10-29, block 3 is 30 if you use 40 ccf your bill will go up about 15-20 dollars a month. When is best time to water-- doesn't care most about that. If you are applying 52 inches a summer on your lawn---water less frequently, then water when it's not hot. If you need to fertilize, then water, but don't keep watering. In June, water 1-2 times a week. In July, 2-3 times a week but that's it. If we all use water more responsibly, in future the droughts will have less of an impact on us. Saved 17% of our outdoor water voluntarily last year. Community growth has increased 20% but use has stayed the same. Will be a Public hearing Apr 22 in council chambers of city about rate structure. Mailing coming next week. See an estimate on what bill will be. www.slc.saveh20.com respond to them for their ideas.

FAA Impact Study on Air Traffic over avenues - George Weatherall PR person from FAA, also an air traffic controller, has been doing this business for 21 years now. Jim Brown? Also here. Interest from public meeting to come out and give us folks -we are planning on putting aircraft on east side of this valley. Have too many airplanes over there on west side. Have safety issues. Have many alternatives but there is a possibility we could put planes over the east belt route. Have seen 3.51% increase in total overall traffic since 9/10/01 -only 1 in 4 places in the nation that has seen growth. Looking at alternatives out there. Draft will be done in April 2004. Have final around Jan 2005-- at that point is when we can go in and decide which alternative will be the one chosen. Good possibility an east downwind one will be included in that. Started this discussion last year. Design team consists of 7 air traffic controllers. They layout what is the best way is to put these airplanes into city. Insert that info into airspace computer design modeling then into development of alternatives. Have to do environmental assessment. Didn't think initially this project would have significant community concern about how to run airplanes. May have to do full environmental study on this. Safety is primary FAA goal. Delays will happen if we continue the way we are going. Mar 19 and 26 notices came out. Public comments will enter into draft EIS category. Jan 2005 record of decision to FAA and they will decide what to do. Proposing 4-corner to 63 regular mile radius. Departure aircraft is noisiest and will climb to 23,000 off runway-so will get them higher faster and keeping them up there longer. If we get entrance changed it will be about 6000 ft above the ground. Alternatives 3 & 4 offer limited use over east bench. Will be based on community--we don't need to use east side of this valley 24 hours a day. During some times of day we need to off load traffic here if volume dictates. Avg 2100-2300 flights a day. I-a-far requires instrument approach. V-a-far is able to see anything and can do visual approach. Has never been an environment to model v-f-r conditions. We are going to do that for noise etc. There are a few target windows where the hub and spoke are at capacity. What about imposing scheduling control with carrier to not allow too many scheduled flights at one time? FAA has no control over airline schedules. Airport authority can control that to an extent. If something happens here at SL, that affects other airports -they are pacer airports. Putting plane in hold affects flights elsewhere. Airspace above the airport is the problem with safe and enough space. Peak airline quantity times are 7 am, noon, 6:30 pm, and 9:15 at night and last approx 45-50 minutes

Website and email address: http://www2.faa.gov/ats/nar/nw_mt/nw_mt_salt.htm

Phone is 801-325-9626 and address: Northern Utah Airspace Initiative

P.O. Box 22867 AMF

Salt Lake City, UT 84122

Actually 4 plans -one of those being a no change plan which is not really an option. Overlapping holding patterns cannot exist and that is starting to occur. Taking no action is not a good plan. Changing of routes would not affect us. Not a high possibility but not totally out. 3rd plan is partial affect to avenues. Would put sensors on the east side to be able to extrapolate what kind of traffic we would see. 66 decibels would kill us but under 65 decibels is workable. (They say.) That's the approach from environmental people. No changes in flight patterns at Hill Air Force Base. Red airlines are approx 13th E for 1 mile either way of 13th east. Question: What are your priorities? safety, efficiency, operations. Comment said community input should be second in priority after safety.

Tom Hale and Judith Locke-these alternatives will become etched in stone very quickly so getting in your thoughts before May 16 is important. Comment forms to be in by May 16. Public input has great effect on EIS statement.

a.. Arrange for Tim Campbell to come to another meeting with these men to really delve into this issue.

Open Forum Dave Knudsen, Peace vigil was held here had about 115 people --silent for peace. Will do it again Sunday at 8 pm at Lindsay Gardens.